Geoff

Hey Vince, what's going on?

Vince M.

Hey, what's going on Geoffrey?

Geoff

Sounds like you have a Brazilian/Portuguese accent. Where are you dialing in from?

Vince M.

I'm from South America. My family is mainly from Italy, so I have a little bit of accent. I'm working on it, okay? But it's gonna take me a while.

Geoff

So, Brazil.

Vince M.

Yeah, Sao Paulo.

Geoff

Sao Paulo, okay.

Vince M.

Yeah.

Geoff

Cool. Yeah, I mean I think I'm actually going to Rio in November for a friends wedding. It'll be my first time in Brazil and obviously a lot of interesting folks in Brazil ... around Brazilian jiu-jitsu, MMA, but you're not an MMA fighter. You're a professional athlete in the realm of e-sports, which is arguably the fastest growing sport, period. I think MMA for a time was an up on upswing e-sports. Give me your thoughts there. I mean I think before diving into one's particular angle, be great to hear a little bit about your background and story of how you became elite performer in the world of cognitive performance.

Vince M.

That's an interesting question actually, because the e-sports, it's been growing so much. It's a billionaire industry already. Next year is going to be the blow from e-sports in my opinion. This year was like the beginning of everything. Next year is going to blow up and it's going to be amazing. That's when the cognitive enhancement product become something very interesting for the e-sports players, myself included. I used to play for Pain Gaming which is a big organization here in Brazil and I used to have a lot of trouble relating to concentration because I can't do boring stuff. I sit down in class and I see the teacher speaking, I can't do this. I need to be entertained all the time and that's when I decided to see what is this and just start something that would calm me down just so I could concentrate in what I was doing in the game. My task would be the guy that goes first, the guest, the first cue for the team, which is something extremely hard because you need to pay attention not only for your teammates, but also in what you're doing in your aim and your precision. That's when the cognitive enhancement comes in handy for me pretty much.

Geoff

Yeah. I want to dive into the details there and the types of games and the types of levers to measure, but just to give context, it'd be interesting to hear your story. I grew up playing video games, I played Starcraft, Counterstrike. I don't have much time to play video games today, but curious to hear how this went from a hobby to a career. I think everyone in today's generation has played some sort of video game. How did this become your career path? When did you realize that "Hey, I'm not just pretty good at this game...I'm one of the best in the world."

Vince M.

Funny enough, I used to be a tennis player. I don't know if I've told you about it.

Geoff

Yeah, I grew up playing tennis as well.

Vince M.

I worshiped that sport so much because it's the only sport that is extremely lonely. This was extremely valuable for me. It's your inner mind in the courts, and you need to figure out what you do and learn it for yourself every single day. I lost my dad, when I was three years old, in a car crash and it was very hard to grow up without a father and stuff like this. For me tennis was always there, me and my mind working myself up. I pretty much learned a ton of stuff with tennis and actually there's a good book that I read. I can send for you if you want. It's from Don Campbell. It's extremely valuable and I learned how to use the right side of your brain in the tennis court. It's really interesting. One day I woke up at 6:00 AM, like always. I went to the court with a friend and was warming up. I pretty much was doing jumps, because the taller you jump in tennis is the better you can serve. I was practicing jumps, and you need to jump and land in one leg always. And I did it. I was doing it extremely fast and extremely high and an incident happened pretty much. I jumped and I landed on my left foot, and it twisted. I broke my entire foot pretty much. I didn't need to get surgery or anything, but the problem is that the fragments from the bones went below the tendon. I couldn't step. I still feel this. I can't run for longer hours, for example, for one hour, two hours. I can't run that much. I still feel the pain and that was pretty much the end for me and tennis.

Geoff

How old were you when this happened?

Vince M.

I was 17 I think.

Geoff

Okay. And you are a pretty competitive tennis player?

Vince M.

I was getting there because you're getting the APP worked on you need one point and I was about to getting to a challenger, which is when you can get one point to start the APP. I used to practice with the best in Brazil and I used to be very grateful for them to include myself, but I had something that the others didn't have, which was the reaction time already in that point. I remember when I was kid, 10 years old practicing. I used to practice against the big guys. And normally when you serve you've got to go to the net and volley, right? When you go to the net and volley, you need to have good reaction time or you're just going to get hit in your chest by a ball and it's going to be extremely painful. I was not afraid of that. I used to go and be ready and never got hit. I always volleyed back. It used to be one of my strongest points and that's when I realized, wait, I have a good reaction time. That's cool. And that's pretty much when I realized this. But after I broke my leg-

Geoff

Yeah. Was that a freak accident? I mean that just sounds wild. You just stood at jumping exercise like box jumps or just like the serving motion and your leg just shattered?

Vince M.

Yeah. For this exercise you need the little jump paddle that you're going to jump in and you're going to serve and then you're going to land in one foot. It is a little bit dangerous if your foot lands wrongly in the floor. I did and it shattered pretty much my left side foot and I couldn't walk for pretty much six months I think. I had to put a cast on it. In those six months I was sitting in my bed, I couldn't move and I was thinking, "Well, this is the end of my career. What can I do?" My doctor said I can't go back. I can't do anything else. Then I started playing games and I was just playing for fun, just having a good time. I met a person, Gabriel Toledo. He plays for MBR I think today, which is a big organization and he's probably one of the best Brazilian gaming athletes out there. And he's extremely humble, extremely nice guy and I learned so much with him in terms of humility, in terms of how to learn stuff, how to deconstruct stuff to learn. For example in games that you play, you need to learn a movement, let's say, and a movement that you learned in the game is going to help throughout your career. I learned how to construct this and learn each thing step by step and pretty much become a master of the movement itself. I learned a lot with them and I'm very thankful for Gabriel because he was an awesome teacher, awesome friend as well. And then I started my career in gaming pretty much doing videos and people started seeing that I was doing stuff that no one else could do in terms of reaction time, flick shot. When you flick shot something it's like-

Geoff

This is stepping back and this is like a first person shooter or you're playing like shooting games?

Vince M.

Yeah. First person shooter shooting games. But I play pretty much everything.

Geoff

What was the initial game you started getting into?

Vince M.

The first game was Counter Strike 1.6, which is extremely old.

Geoff

I remember back in middle school days I was playing. Yeah.

Vince M.

Oh yeah. That used to be very popular. But the first game that snapped was Rainbow Six and CS go which is kind of strike level offensive. I used to do some flick shots that when you flick shot is like you're looking at the center of the screen.

Funnily enough, I learned to juggle with tennis balls and later on I learned how this helped me out to have a better peripheral vision.

I'm writing a book and this is going to be in my book. Pretty much when you flick shot, you have your vision is centered. Those are crosshairs and you need to pay attention on your crosshairs all the time. As soon as the enemy appears, you need to put the crosshair on him and hit of course. Flick shots are when you see the enemy in your peripheral vision and you do it so fast that even enemy can't react. It's like I'm looking here, and then I kill the guy up here. I did stuff like this and that's when people started to subscribe. That's when I started receiving like 500 messages a day. Like "How you doing man? What's your configuration?" And I was like, "Dude, is this happened to you? Man, that's awesome." Because-

Geoff

And so people also thought you use aim bots. I remember back in the day you can have these hacking tools or just like the computer itself would play for you. I'm sure people thought you were like cheating too.

Vince M.

In the beginning. Yes, because I didn't have a mouse cam and they used to think "No, this guy is 100% hacking," like "This guy is not that good." And then I bought a camera and I was filming my hand during the movement and that's when they blow up because everyone was "Oh this is actually him doing it." And when it blew up I was doing highlights of my game play and stuff like this. And people start subscribing and asking "How they can improve this how can they improve that" and that's when I become extremely, extremely into the bio-hacking stuff to become a better version of myself. This is a very cliche phrase to say, but it is what it is.

Humans want to become a better version of themselves so they can live their day better, feel better about themselves, think faster, and react faster.

I imagine in Silicon Valley right now, it must be crazy. I know people and you probably talked about this in one of your podcasts, that microdosing LSD makes you become more creative. I think this is extremely interesting. Of course the long term effects we'll never know and that's why I don't try, but I know people that do this and actually there's an athlete that does this.

Of course he doesn't microdose, obviously he microdose other stuff but he improved a lot and he's a world champion in a game called counter strike. Cognitive enhancements are extremely interesting for me and that's why I'm so into it. I went and built up a lab, imagining a team like Fanatic for example, which is a great big organization. They want to win the next major, which is going to be in a month. They have those five dudes in this team. Imagine if there's a laboratory like the H.V.M.N. laboratory and pretty much a different outcome for you and say we want to win the next measure, you guys do your job. We could pretty much have a cardiologist and a neurologist than those both worlds because cardiologists and neurologists that know something is actually a really interesting thing. There's a guy in Brazil called Larry Roberto. He's one of my mentors and I'm actually doing an interview next month with him. He's a doctor. He used to work in Harvard as a teacher and he used to work as well in Baylor College of medicine. He was a medic director in Mark Shop in Dome and Vice President of the Civic Corporation. I learned a lot with this guy and funny enough the reaction time, everything I learned here in Brazil was with him and that's why I back everything that I do. I don't just start doing crazy stuff. Me, myself, I actually asked someone that knows how to do it and then I learn and then I do my research of course. And it will be amazing.

Geoff

Let's say it's like a psychometric expert essentially. Yeah. I mean I think they just-

Vince M.

I think so.

Geoff

I think just like reflect on what you're saying. I think that's exactly the concept that we've been working on for the last four or five years and I think when I hear someone else say humans improving yourself, the best version of yourself, that's the language and the goal that we're all seeking towards. I think the listeners on our podcast, the H.V.M.N. community when we started off in the nootropics space and now the key to nesters space. I think this movement is growing quicker and broader and hopefully we can be at the forefront of that because I think that in culture today, there's oftentimes perhaps like an acceptance of mediocrity. It's okay to not seek to improve oneself and I think that shouldn't be the case. I think people should be inspired to look at themselves and see what the weak at and improve on that. We're kind of very much from the same clock there. I think that just like professional athletes and folks in the military are very attuned to physical attributes to optimize. I think e-sports athletes like yourself are the cutting edge of cognitive performance, which will be probably more important the long run because more and more everyday people are going to be cognitive performers within our jobs. We're intellectual creative workers now more than physical workers, so it becomes less and less relevant to say, "Hey, I can bench press 500 pounds versus 500, 10 pounds, but if you can solve math problems or be more creative when you're coding or conceptualizing designs, that's where I think the real value is. And I think that folks like yourself at the forefront of a very competitive aspect of cognition like e-sports, you guys are the tip of the spear.

Vince M.

I think in the future that's going to be extremely important, especially for e-sport athletes because the e-sport athlete's life is like 20 years. If someone who started at 16, you're going to end his career at 29...this is terrible. Why should be like this? As soon as we hit 25, our cognitive abilities start to go way down. The testosterone levels go down, reaction time goes down and all of this together makes the athletes have less results in the matches and pretty much get kicked out of the team just because they're old. I don't really think it should be like this. We're in 2018, like we don't need to be like this. We can change ourselves. There's something called neurogenesis that can rewire your brain.

Geoff

Yeah, neurogenesis, that's one of the initial reasons how we got into the growth of new neurons and I think what you're saying with longevity of athletes is very, very interesting with the work with what we do with athletes and military. The experience you get over years is really, really valuable, especially in the war fighting context. There's an interesting curve where with youth you have the resilience, just the raw energy of being young and healing faster. The body slows down, but the experience level is what a lot of the older athletes and operators say are what differentiates the top of the top versus just an up and coming young gun. It's interesting to hear some of that. In the e-sports world. Do you really see that performance dropped that quickly or is it just like a bias thing? Like why do you see people getting cut when they're crossing what the 25, late 20s age.

Vince M.

Especially because they keep consuming sugar and I know I can't say the brands or anything, but you already know.

Geoff

Yeah.

Vince M.

When they're practicing for tournaments and stuff, they're drinking all those energy drinks that has a ton of bullshit on it. I'm sorry for the word, but it is what it is. It's terrible for your health. Sugar is the worst thing for anyone who wants a big level at anything because sugar decreases the production of neurotransmitters and the neurotransmitters is what helps you to get the information from one cell to another cell. It's pretty much to react faster. Sugar is out of the question. I used to drink like 12 cokes a day. I'm being completely honest with you. It used to be crazy and I used to do it because I needed to be awake. The routine of e-sports used to be extremely, extremely hard for me because you need to practice for eight hours with your team and then you have games for more six hours. It's extremely tired man. Like it's crazy.

Geoff

You're just like nonstop 14 hours just on the computer?

Vince M.

Like this non stop. You have the blue lights in front of you. I bought this monitor that doesn't have blue lights at all, and it's extremely important for vision. But yeah, everything that sugar does to people that wants to react too fast, it creates inflammation. Your concentrations level decreases. Decreases up in a freeing Galba ended up on me, which is the one that makes you feel good. Sugar does all of this. The problem is that the people that are competing, they don't have this mindset. They don't research just because they think, "No, I'm going to take this and I will feel good for 10 minutes and is going to make me be a champion."

Geoff

You really think that it's a nutrition problem that's causing players to age quicker than they really should be?

Vince M.

I know so because, I had this little argument with the team that I was on. I can't say it of course, but they closed this brand with a big company that sells energy drinks. I was like, "I'm not going to drink this. You're not going to record me." Drink this for the propaganda or advertisement that they wanted to. They wanted me to drink four cans of it and be like, "This is the thing and stuff," and I was like, "I'm not going to do it. I'm just not going to do it because I don't believe in this." And that's when I fought with them, we parted ways pretty much shit. It was fine though. They were friendly people but I do believe it is a nutrition problem, but also nowadays we need to supplement. We need vitamins nowadays. We're living in the planet that the soil is extremely weak. For example, to get the nutrition of one apple actually from 1920s I think, you need 25 apples of today's. I don't know if you've ever read something about it.

Geoff

I haven't seen on literature but I've seen a literature that a lot of animals don't eat modern fruits because it's too sweet now.

Vince M.

Exactly.

Geoff

In the zoo which is ... I haven't seen the data on the density of nutrition, but I think some of the animal products like beef, chicken, like the density of meat is getting worse. There's something there. A hundred percent.

Vince M.

Yeah. I was reading an article today about egg yolks in Brazil because the chickens are eating too much corn. They pretty much tend to have more estrogen, I don't know.

Geoff

Right. Yeah. The ratio of Omega six, Omega three... chickens eat bugs & crickets. They eat that higher protein load and now they're eating grain because corn is really cheap. Hundred percent.

Vince M.

Yes, exactly. I know you would relate. I know that but this is something that is happening worldwide and it's in the food. Now, the players nowadays, and I know that because I talked very closely with top notch athletes in my world and also in other e-sports like for example poker for per se, poker is a very ... You need to have a sharp mind when you're playing poker but in the e-sports it's difference because you're seeing your cognitive abilities in the game. If one day you're good and the other day you're, "I'm missing those shots. Why?" And they don't understand.

They think it's just because they didn't have enough energy drinks. They go and they drink a liter of energy drink, and the next day they're feeling worse and worse and worse.

t's like a domino effect and as soon as they grow up and they start aging, they become dumber I should say, because the sugar makes you dumb as well. It's one of the things that makes the person not think properly, I should say.

Geoff

I mean we could get a whole sort of discussion just on the sugar pathway. I'm actually curious to just get a sense of how you realize this so early. Is it because you came from a physical sports background in terms of playing tennis at a very high level? Is this something in terms of just like you're researching and working with cycle analysts or psychometricians and doctors, like how would you uncover this path? Because it sounds like you've done a lot of self teaching and self learning on nutrition, on nootropics, on neurogenesis.

Vince M.

Self learning, self teaching is important, but I don't believe in everything that I see in the Internet because anyone has access to it, but I tried to teach myself looking at google med articles and stuff like this. Of course I researched nootropics. There's actually a very nice person, David Tom. He's a nootropic expert and I learned a lot with him. I actually had a conversation with him on Skype with what would be the best and nootropics for e-sports in his opinion, and I had my opinion of course, but we figured out that talking with each other, that Ashwaghanda and Lion's Mane and L-Theanine would be the best nootropics for e-sports and for athletes. Also, taking care of your vision in e-sports...this is something very common. Normally e-sports athletes, they stare at the monitor like 12 hours a day and this is very harmful for the eyes because of the blue rays that is coming out of the monitor and they don't supplement with say, Lutein, Zeaxanthin, Asheting for example, which is extremely important for longterm and better vision. Me myself, I had an experience of which was extremely interesting for me because I did a study on my own pretty much. I took an Zeaxanthin with Lutein with one microgram of Bros and some saffron. I did it every single day for about a month.

Geoff

Yeah.

Vince M.

In the first day that I did, my vision was like 1080P, it went for 4K. The very next day, I was already, wait ... I was seeing this yesterday! And it's interesting for me. That's when I decided that I need to go in depth. I need to research more and learn more. And that's when I started to get in touch with Larry Berro, which for me, he's one of the Brazilian heroes besides Anthony Sinai, Gustavo Puritan. Actually, he knows how to speak English so it will be a really good guest for you. He's a very busy doctor. Try and talk to him.

Geoff

Yeah. We'll try. Yeah.

Vince M.

I learned a bunch with him especially in terms of nutrition and when I started learning about all the nutrition in our body, how it works and what you eat is important. I was saying before about the chickens and the meat nowadays, the grass fed meat has a different taste. You probably know that is amazing. I think it's all related nowadays with all the studies that I do, with all the tracking that I do myself, I know so that I could transform an athlete from this level to the next. All in less than three months, two months. I know so because I did it myself.

Geoff

Let's talk about that. I think it's like the devil's advocate or the skeptics would be like, "Oh, is this just placebo effect?" But you're measuring it. I think that's why the cognitive e-sports world is interesting because for chess, for poker, there's not a lot of quantitative results. You can kind of say, "Hey, you're making better decisions where you feel sharp over time." There's a lot of variance in poker because it's the form of gambling, but with e-sports, with reaction time, here's our quantitative measures. I'd love to understand and dive into how you are benchmarking numbers and how interventions like nootropics are able to manipulate and modulate these quantitative measures.

Vince M.

Right. I will try to give you an explanation of how the competitive finals go, in front of 20,000 people online and on land which are 40 minutes beside it with another five guys that you're playing against the other side.

Geoff

This is like just to give a sense of the games?

Vince M.

Kind of a Counter Strike or Rainbow Six. Your teammates are nervous because they don't have enough energy in their brain and the glutamate is like super high because of the stress level and they're not really controlling their feelings over there. If I knew this before and I would give out any for all my teammates just so they could communicate well because when you're in a stressed environment like this, extremely, extremely stressful. I remember a funny history, I was playing in tournaments and it was like the semifinal. There was my team against the bigger team. They had like more people cheering for them and stuff like this. There were still people wanting to crawl. I remember I did an awesome play. I got like twit kills and this pretty much is a win, is around for our team and then I look into crawled and everyone is like, "A few." Like look into my eye and being angry with me like they want to beat me up. That's when I realized dude this thing is serious, man. I take, I would need some security to get out of here and that's pretty much the end of it. Like I needed some security to get over there because there's some guys that wanted to beat me up.

When your distressful environment, if you can control your feelings, if you can control what you're taking, if you can communicate better and have your in the hands circle Guinness of abilities, this can help you out and help your team to become extremely, extremely effective. There was a book that I'm reading called The Executive Effect. Effective is XXIV. I think Tim Ferriss told me to read it and I've been reading it for about a month I think. This book has nothing related to e-sport but I see some mind test that isn't a book that I could use for my team in e-sports and teach them. Funny enough, when you're in this environment a ton of thing happens. First thing is a stressful from the crowd. You need to pay attention your role in the game, but you also need to hear for other voices telling you information. For example, I'm looking, let's say the flank which is the back part of the map that you're playing and your teammates, you hear explosion. You need to register this explosion in your brain because something happened down there in the map that someone is rotating dirt to pick your ... to flank you, to flank your team. You need to register this, but also at the same time that this happened, your teammates saying, "Oh, we're going to do this."

Enters, we chose mokes, one flash. You're going to be here and it should go down in 20 seconds. You need to register all of this at the same time and be able to digest and do your thing and do your role in the tactic or the strategy or whatever it is so it could succeed. That's when the nootropics come in handy for me, and I do think that ... as I told you before, if H.V.M.N. had a lab, for instance, that could pick up of professional team, measured the blots and see what is your blood type, what is your glucose, what do you guys in? Teach them how to fast, at least for one day so they could get rid of all the inflammation in their body. Starts nootropics and start a good diet. In one month there will be the word champions, and I know for a fact because I did it myself, I know how to do it and there's just enough technology for it. There's a red light therapy. There's a Cryotherapy. Direct light therapy is amazing. There's actually a flashlight therapy, I don't know if you've ever heard about it. The flashlight therapy uses 40 hertz images flicking in front of your eye that activates neurons in your brain that radio deactivates. It is actually really good for Parkinson's disease and for Alzheimer's. It's actually extremely effective and if you put this with coconut oil, for example, to rewire everything in your brain that will create something for older elder athletes to become better versions of themselves even when they were 20 years old. We can't go and go and go and I could stay days here, talk to a buyer because I know how much you have passion for this.

Geoff

Yeah, I know, I mean I think the early research around, I think some of the infrared light. Yeah, there's some interesting early signal there, but I think for the coconut oil, I mean that's something that our ketone ester would beach the 10X more potent version. Elevated ketones as a signaling effect for neurogenesis, for brain derived neurotrophic factor. It's interesting. You're really saying that by just really dialing the e-sports players, physical metabolic vessel of their brain that would have a material advantage in the current paradigm of e-sports where everyone's physical body, like the stereotype of a Gamer is not super healthy physically. As you're saying, just sitting in front of a computer for 14, 16 hours. Constantly jacked up on caffeine and sugar and if you can just rebuild some of the fueling for these very, very high performing individuals, you would change the game.

Vince M.

It would, I believe if I could take a team and had to research this for it, I will make them champions in less than three months. I believe this so much because all the research and all the things that I see happening with myself, like my reaction time back in the day used to be 160, 180, which is good.

Geoff

160, 180 milliseconds per recipient.

Vince M.

Yeah.

Geoff

Responding to stimuli?

Vince M.

Exactly. Normally the humans nowadays the data that they have is that shows that's a normal attitude takes like 140 milliseconds to react to something. You're, for instance, if you're in a fasting state, you would probably take 190 because normally do it that much. You're a healthy person, so that's why take one 190. The normal athlete and I have the data because I asked other teammates to do the same and I was like sneaking and annotating their data without any of their knowledge. I'm crazy about tracking. I track everything I do. For me is the most important thing because I can see the evolution and what I see from them is that 200 milliseconds, one 190 milliseconds. It's terrible for an athlete. An athlete needs to have at least 180, which is the sweet point for athletes, but the reaction time, depending on the game is not that important. It's more important that cognitive abilities in terms of shark memory, ability to communicate and vision. For me as an ex athlete, I tend more to stay in YouTube nowadays, but for me it's pretty much those three pillars. Of course if you have an athlete that has extremely good cognitive abilities, like a fast reaction time, this could save like for example, final points of a big tournaments. It's a one view one and this guy has 1:35 reaction time, which is what am I currently have? This guy has won 190. This guy going to kill this dude 100%. I used the UFC example because it's extremely interesting when the UFC fighters are sporting, they're pretty much trying to understand when the punch is going to come.

When the punch is coming from the left side, I need to go to the right side. Imagine if a fighter has an extremely fast reaction time, like 120 milliseconds. He would have such a big advantage.

Geoff

That's like the Floyd Mayweather. Connor McGregor, like they just like dodging. Just seeing things coming much fast, responding much fast.

Vince M.

First of all Connor, he drinks too much. I know so because he's always drinking his proper 12 whiskey.

Geoff

I think he's doing it for show. I think the guy is to serious about his craft. He knows alcohol is not good for performance.

Vince M.

I know and I think it's tricky to think that he's drinking, but he's actually not.

Geoff

I'm not sure he's not drinking. He's serious. The guy is not a fool. Do you have some sense in terms of baseball? Generally, athletes probably have a good reaction time because like that's what makes you better physical specimen than the other average human beings. I'm curious in terms of like the broader data, like average human run 250 milliseconds. Coke here saw baseball, tennis, maybe football, you may maybe needed to be a little bit slower. I'm curious, do you have a sense across the board?

Vince M.

That's really cool. I have some data on it. There's some really interesting stuff from, I think was the EPA university. They did EPA track. That's their baseball athletes. Is like a software that their baseball athletes would go in every single day in the morning before the baseball warmup or practicing or whatever they're going to do that day. And they saw an increase of 20% in their reaction time just because they were getting better vision. I have my routine every morning. First of all, wake up, make my bed, meditate 10 minutes, hydrotherapy, coffee and then I do my narrow exercises. There's a company called a Narrow Nation. They are located in Berlin, Germany and I was contacted by them in my email about, they're tracking pretty much exercises to make the person better, the cognitive enhancement exercises and I pretty much do this every single day. I've been doing it for about two months I think since I was contacted by them.

Geoff

What are these exercises like? Is it like reaction time exercises, memory task?

Vince M.

There's five exercises that you need to do and they have a bunch more but they ask for age, for blood type, which I think is extremely interesting.

Geoff

Like A, B, O like literally blood type.

Vince M.

Yes. They ask as well for an average reaction time. They do all of this data and they make the best cognitive enhancement training for yourself. This is really interesting and of course you need to pay for this because it's like $7. I think payment is not that much, is extremely cool for me. I've been doing for about two months and there's a very cool exercise call it clockwise. There's two clocks and the pointers in the clock are going and you need to pay attention both at the same time and if one point jumps in a dot like for example with the pointer needs to go to dots to dots. They can't jump the dots and they need to pay attention in the dots. Whoever jumps you need to click, and I've been doing this for a couple weeks and this today was when I got another level and it's so it's three clocks. I need to pay attention in three clocks at the same time. They are moving extremely fast. One is like 20 kilometers, another one's like five kilometers. So you need to keep track of all of them using your peripheral vision, your hand coordination with the miles. You are breathing, so there's a bunch of stuff that you got to do in this exercise. There's another one call it Patterns Way I think if I'm not mistaking. The right path actually, and it's a pattern that you need to see in the screen. You to memorize it and there's a bunch of patterns that are going to start rolling in front of you in the screen and roll around extremely fast and you need to recognize as fast as possible what is the right pattern for that. This creates your mind because the image is doing like this, you need to mix the right ankle for that.

Geoff

It's a better like spacial orientation and then also a bit of inspection time. How fast can you remember patterns? I want to get back to the original. The original question was, like baseball, football, other types of athletes. Let's get a sense of the range here.

Vince M.

It's funny because there's so much good information in there. I almost lose a track. I'm sorry. For my study, the baseball athletes, especially the pitcher-

Geoff

And then a batter's right? I mean that's probably the main reaction time. How fast can a batter respond to the pitch.

Vince M.

The data that I saw in this actually from UCLA, the University of California, from data that I saw from there is 160 milliseconds to 180 milliseconds which is bad in my opinion. I can make the athlete go through probably 120, 110 and this will make an extremely different for them.

Geoff

That's 33% reduction of response.

Vince M.

When you're talking about-

Geoff

What is your reaction?

Vince M.

Currently 110 to 97 and it's 97 MS when I'm doing the hydrotherapy only. I can't do 97 without hydrotherapy.

Geoff

Yeah, so what does hydrotherapy like?

Vince M.

Hydrotherapy is, the Germans used to do it. When you go to extremely hot shower for example, is going to open your blood vessels and you have like icebergs close to it. You're going to take the extremely hot shower, open your blood vessels as much as you can, go to the cold baths with some really crazy ice and you're not going to have a Hypothermia. I don't know how to say in English.

Geoff

Hypothermia. Yes.

Vince M.

You're not going to have this. You're not going to get a cold or anything like this, but what's gonna make is going to produce the hypercal. Adiponectin is going to activate, but also something that I learned is that when you do it, it activates the stress in your body and it stresses really good, but I'm going to get to the stress part. Adiponectin is extremely interesting because it enhances your cognitive abilities a lot and it's actually like a fat burner pretty much because it produces brown fat and the brown fats and a brown fats uses heat. You already know and the Adiponectin also helps you to get rid of the brain fog and all the stuff that you would have normally.

Geoff

Is it really like basically just like heat shocking or something you make as big of adult as possible. Right? You open up all your blood vessels so you just dump a lot of heat as quickly as possible. Get that delta, get that heat flux and then you release all these hormones as a response and then I guess subjectively you feel sharp after huge temperature done.

Vince M.

I feel like this, German or something. Of course you can't just go and take like a bucket of ice and put it in your head. It's not going to make nothing. You just got to feel like weird for for a little bit. That's all. You need to go and stay for a bit. You need to go to the extremely hot water, open your blood vessels and stay in the bath with ice and it's going to be very hard in the beginning, but after three times, four times, you're going to be like extremely ... Right now I take cold showers like this. For me is nothing anymore but. Talvene used to take cold showers just to write his music. For some reason you sort of just a curiosity became in my mind, but yeah, the Adiponectin burns calories to produce heat. It's extremely good for your brain, for your mind state and I see that, I can feel the concentration when I'm doing the reaction time tests for example.

When you get so concentrated that you can do 97ms, I want to understand how I did this. How do I stay in this concentration state? That's when I started studying the L-Theanine effects before a cold shower.

I used to take the cold shower without anything and I used to feel extremely I could control my breath because when you do the hydrotherapy in the cold you can't control. It's like you can't breath properly. With the L-Theanine, with the sublingual L-Theanine, you can't take it via oral like normal pill. You need to take sublingual. It tastes terrible but when it takes sublingual reacts with the saliva which has a lot of minerals and it's faster. I observed-

Geoff

Sublingual through oral tissue versus through the Gi tract.

Vince M.

That's what I was trying to say.

Geoff

L-Theanine doesn't taste that ... I guess-

Vince M.

It doesn't taste that bad. I don't like it though, haha. I take the L-Theanine before the shower and I can control my breath. I can see my mindset and I could even think about my tasks that I will do after and before I couldn't control anything. It's funny because I don't know if it is because I'm doing too much is like the 10th time that I'm doing or if it is because the L-Theanine, but I feel the L-Theanine give me a mindset to understand everything that is around it and it's happening to me and I can fill it, but I don't feel pain, I don't feel dizzy, I don't feel anything. I feel concentrated.

Geoff

Yeah. Well, I think one of the interesting things is that like, L-Theanine, which is found in our Sprint stack. It's anxiolytic. I'm just curious. You obviously want some stimulation or some stress like the yard stocks and curve, right? Like there's a sweet spot of having enough stress or this is interesting. Not too much stress and your freaked out. Do you ever find that with L-Theanine you get too far relaxed or do you find that L-Theanine puts you right in a sweet spot by itself? Because for example, caffeine. We find that L-Theanine and caffeine gets you in a goldilocks zone. I'm actually just curious from your perspective.

Vince M.

I did some research and I tested on myself. Again, I'm not a doctor, but I do stuff for myself and I'm saying because I tested myself, I see a sweet spot because when they take L-Theanine, if I take like 600 milligrams of L-Theanine-

Geoff

It's a pretty big dose.

Vince M.

Pretty big dose and depending on the body type and depending on how much weight the person has, has a right decision. The L-Theanine when I take it, my reaction time goes way down. Let's say I'm doing 145 reaction time in the morning, which is normally what it had. 137, 145. I take the L-Theanine, it goes out to 240. It goes out to 360 just because of the L-Theanine makes your stress levels go down, produces more galba. Glutamate goes down, it makes something in your brain that you got to feel relaxed and pay attention. Concentrate. But your reaction is gonna be terrible.

Geoff

Yeah. Reaction time goes up. I mean the reaction time goes slower. You have a slower reaction time.

Vince M.

Exactly. And a sweet spot that I found for me and I was doing tasks with the sprint and the sprint, I don't know if it is the sprint. The sprint you have 201 L-Theanine and 100 caffeine. I see this is a very good sweet spot because I could have the concentration of the alternate without the jury of the coffee and I can actually pay attention. This is extremely effective, but I'd take-

Geoff

Thank you.

Vince M.

I'm not saying just because I'm talking with you is is actually really effective. Congratulations for you. I don't know what research it did, but depending on the body weight I need to take two to fuel all the effects. It's very interesting when you see the right dosage is in the right micro dosing and the right knee that your body asking for is extremely interesting.

Geoff

I think it is really the different ratios of caffeine, L-Theanine, which is actually nice. I confirmed a lot of the peer reviewed literature out there where caffeine L-Theanine that seemed to have some sort of synergistic effect beyond just caffeine alone or L-Theanine alone. That's interesting to hear that. What are your experience? Does match literature where you get the anxiolytic calming effect that L-Theanine is. I'm not surprised to hear that your reaction time increases, but it probably improves your resilience to taking that heat and cold shock and then when you want to Improve your reaction time, by decreasing response time, getting some of that sprint effect of that caffeine affects him was actually at work. I'd love to get you to use H.V.M.N. Ketone because there's a similar anxiolytic effect with ketones and I think a lot of the same effects from fast thing and all of that. It'd be interesting to see what a high level of beta hydroxybutyrate will do to your response times.

Vince M.

One thing that I noticed is that, I don't know how, but I bore them a good reaction time. Since I was younger, I knew it and I was imagining what type of crazy human could have, if you do something like an extraneous crania stimulation. I don't know if you've ever heard about it. You can put a man, both batteries in a-

Geoff

TCDS.

Vince M.

Exactly. Imagine if we could do it with the human being that is already good in reaction time, but also take something like the ether that you guys produce or also something like modafinil together our center for assets. Of course not all the time because for liver, your liver going to suffer with that, but it's more about what type of crazy human being would have, what type of mentality this person would have if this person could think so fast that he can keep in touch with his own thoughts. The problem solved thing. For example, In companies nowadays or even in the army for example. That will be extremely good for the American soldiers that I knew you guys work with. If a sniper could have a better reaction time than the other enemy sniper, for example. Especially in game. I see this happening in game all the time. Nowadays I go to a game that has a sniper, nobody beats me and it doesn't matter the game that is, I can tell you this just because of the reaction time and of course those games that you can't use the reaction but the main part of the game and the main part that high top notch athletes would be amazed by that. For instance Roger Federer, he's like 33 years old, 34. I'm not sure. He's one of my main role models in my life and I don't know if he has or not a good reaction time but if it doesn't have it right now, imagine Roger Federer having extremely fast reaction time up to 120/97 milliseconds, which is almost instantaneously. Imagine this guy with this. Imagine Connor McGregor with the 97 MS reaction thing. Imagine what type of freak of nature he could create.

Geoff

Actually games like baseball is like 161, 80 like baseball you've run super impressed with. Have you seen any other sports, it'd be interesting to see like-

Vince M.

Yeah. I want to track all the sports athletes. I'm trying to get in touch with some of them, but here In Brazil is a little bit hard to get in touch with high end athletes because they're all in contracts and it's too much bureaucracy. But I'm trying to get in touch with tennis players at first. But of course I need a good laboratory that I can send them in so they can test properly. I don't want to just, "Hey, do the test and tell me how it was." I went to actually record everything. I want to do it properly because if I know how to do it properly, I want to back all my study and everything that I did on myself to see if I can do with this person like increase like 70% of his ability. I want to keep tracking all of them. I know probably soccer players, the players that stay in the goal, like trying to catch the ball, they probably have extremely good reaction time because there's kicks up to 200 miles an hour. And if you don't have good reactIon time, you're dead. Doesn't matter what you're doing. In the tennis court for example, I used to play against a guy and he was like the mini Rodick. Rodick used to be an athlete that used to serve like up to 220 kilometers and also really a nice person. This guy used to go up to 190 and I used to play against him.

Geoff

This is like 130 miles per hour just for people in there. 120, 130 mile per hour.

Vince M.

I used to be the only one they used to serve back and actually returned to serve because all the other people used to be like did holly harbor attorney has served. I don't know.

Geoff

You're seeing it.

Vince M.

Exactly. That's when it's not for me. I'm amazed by that. One thing that I see talking about e-sport players now, and it's probably for the top notch athletes, they probably have neurologists and cardiologists that of course they do. But for e-sports, we didn't have like a little bit but not extremely serious like we're talking here.

One thing that I see in those players is that they are lacking sun Vitamin D, which is actually a hormone, and they're staying indoors all the time.

They don't do some walks and the major part of the players go out to the beach and they put like some protectors and it actually doesn't protect of anything. I don't know if you noticed, it's actually a cool thing to say. The sun emits three ultraviolet rays, so is the A, B, and C. The C doesn't get here. 95% percent that gets here is the A ray and five percent is the B ray, which is the one that produces the D hormone in your body. The major part of the sun protectors protects you against the ultra violet B, which is the only one that is good for you. If you use the sun protector, is going to just protect you against the B violet, but the A violet, which is the terrible and for your health that produces melanin for example, or skin cancer, doesn't protect you at all.

Geoff

Really? I've heard about SPF will cover A and B, but okay.

Vince M.

It's actually a thing and there was a really cool study from Larry Berro, which is the doctor that I told you before that he talks about it extremely, extremely interesting and I see the players doesn't go and they don't take enough sun. And the funny enough that when the vitamin D gets your body, it produces a cold sypher al and then goes to your liver and produces calcidiol and cholecalciferol. What it does when it don't take enough for a long time, let's say for six months or three months, which is the time pretty much that the players are in the gaming houses, practicing for a big tournament, you're going to feel dizzy. You're going to feel not concentrated because one thing helps another thing.

Geoff

It's also like the seasonal, this mood disorders.

Vince M.

Exactly.

Geoff

When people are in winter, they're not getting enough sun. I think that's just like a flaw of modernity. I think most people today just don't get enough sun and if you do get sun, I think there's a lot of education around putting on sunblock which is science liberal, but I think it's almost an extreme now where it is okay to get like 20 minutes of sun on your body because you need vitamin D production. I think that's almost where we we're so far away from skin cancer and that culture where it's like ... If you're going to be out in the beach 10 hours a day. Then yeah, where sun blocks. Sun beam sucks.

Vince M.

I'm not saying that people can't use sun protection. I'm saying if you're going to stay in the best time, the best time for taking some vitamin D the 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM and the best sun is 12:00 AM, which is, lots of people say that is the most dangerous, but it's not. It's the sun that most receive as the B ray, which is the ray that help you to produce the hormone, which ends up with the hydroxyzine in your body. When you don't have it, you have difficult to observe minerals and all kinds of other stuff and when the person doesn't acquire damage sun, especially on the e-ports, it has difficult to. Even if he eats healthy or anything, it's not going to be really good for the person. it's going to be terrible actually. It's one of the things.

Geoff

It's interesting. I think you're just highlighting a lot of the issues with modernity. It's a kind of a funny way to think about it like e-ports athlete. It's really like the most futuristic versus the human in some sense where like if you project out what intellectual laborers will look like, it's like probably a lot of focus cognitive work probably endorse. You guys are kind of like the canary in the coal mine of what a lot of people could look like in terms of our daily jobs.

Vince M.

It's funny you're saying this because from all the players that I knoW, pretty much none of them are doing all the researches that I'm doing and all the tests that I'm doing myself because they don't really care.

Geoff

I mean it's young. It's a young men and women's sport.

Vince M.

If you're like 20 years old and you care about your profession and you wouldn't be the best. You want to research everything that you can and read all the books possible and that's what I'm doing it in the daily basis and if I find out that in the end is like I worshiped this so much. For me it's like amazing to have a human that is depressed or sad in the next few months after doing it everything. Having a healthy diets or doing some fasting, or taking the right new tropics for the person. It completely changes way that person lives. For me, this is amazing in the e-sports. If I can take a team, let's say I'm using the fanatic example. If that fanatic comes to us and be like, "Hey, do whatever you guys want with our team, then it will be next months world champions." We can do it and again people set goals. They're going to be, "This guy is bullshit. Like this is impossible, but no, you guys produced the ether. This is something impossible and you guys did. Everything is possible, right?

Geoff

Yeah, I mean it's quantifiable. Yeah. I think it's all about getting the data. I'm actually curious to learn more about the other biomarkers that you're tracking or metrics that you're tracking. Reaction time is a main one. Makes a lot of sense. Anything else that you're tracking on a continuous basis?

Vince M.

Other than my reaction time, I tracked my precision and my peripheral vision, which is a little harder to track because I have like six monitors here. I put all the monitors in a straight line and my peripheral vision is like this, right? I'm doing an exercise that I created for myself. I have like a gray area and a little mark is going to appear in one of the screens and I need to see my peripheral vision. Is one of the things that I do to track my peripheral vision. This thing that gonna appear in the screen is extremely soft, it's almost transparent so you can really see even if you're looking at. It's one of the things that I do to help track, and this is actually enhances your vision a little bit as far as I noticed in myself, but I have scientific data to track what I'm seeing for you right now, but I talking to myself and again, personal experience. I'm not a doctor, but it helps me. It helps that I see that it's actually enhancing stuff. For example, I will use this silly example for you. In the game that I play is called Rainbow Six. There is an operator color vision and lesion has leisure mines that is transparent in the map. You can't really see. The major part of the players fall for this trap. I never fall it for it again. After I started doing. I swear to God.

Geoff

You just see these like the mines.

Vince M.

I see because it's transparent. My eyes used to track now the transparent things and one thing that I noticed is that when I woke up at night-

Geoff

That's hilarious.

Vince M.

Yeah. It's hilarious.

It's one thing that I noticed when I woke up at night, I don't need to turn on the lights. That would decrease my melatonin production, so I don't turn on the lights at all...and I can still see everything.

Doesn't matter how dark the room is. If there's a little bit of light, I can see anything and I'm not going to fall. I can go to the bathroom without turning on the light, so it's another thing that I saw happening on myself, on my own with my own experience that I think is amazing and I will do 100% with a player that, "Hey, I want to become better version of myself. Can you help me out?" I will do this test with him every single day and track him every single day because it is actually works and this is another way to track that I use, to track my peripheral vision plus the vision to see small objects are objects that you can see pretty much.

Geoff

Yeah. That's cool. I mean it sounds like the side from just like nootropics, there's a lot of actual training, like clearly you've really just sharpen your senses. Your visual acuity is very, very high. I mean, have you tested interventions like nootropics or hydrotherapy? Tracking to see if that affects your peripheral vision, like this fasting affected. I was just sort of curious in terms of as you're tracking this, do interventions prove out the data?

Vince M.

I'm currently tracking only the reaction time with the hydrotherapy. I see that I'm burning lots of fat because of the hydrotherapy but I'm not really using for this. I'm using much with the reaction time and I'm just tracking this. I don't like to do all of the same time because I want to know exactly what happened and exactly why I got the back results and the hydrotherapy with L-Theanine has shown, and also I forgot to say I'm sorry. I'm going to start using the lion's mane mushroom, which is actually a very interesting mushroom. I think both statements. His last name, statesman. He's extremely smart dude, and he understands lots of mushroom and when he talks about the lion's mane and how it enhances your cognitive abilities, it is amazing and I'm excited to try this nootropic as well with the hydrotherapy plus L-Theanine. The coffee increases the reaction time of course, but the lion's mane I think is going to increase more just because of the substance that it has and how it acts in the brain and of course how I can track this and I will see what is the best nootropic for the reaction time and doing this to see what is the best, and then to find the hotspots of this type of stuff.

Geoff

Yeah, I know. Get your experience from lion's mane, I mean the research we've seen on lion's mane itself is that it's potentially a precursor for BDNF, which might be more of a chronic effect and a cute effect. I wouldn't necessarily expect your reaction time to improve just with a cute dose of lion's mane, but it'll be interesting to see. I mean like there's not a ton of RCT, human data on lion's mane, but let's see.

Vince M.

People ignore mushrooms a lot and I think that's a mistake.

Geoff

Yeah.

Vince M.

There's like five million out there, one of them going to be amazing. I promise you that.

Geoff

I think it's just like this within the whole botanical space, like a lot of medicines come from fungus plants, right? To me it doesn't really matter where the source is, just how effective it is. If it comes from a mushroom, comes from a synthetic lab, if it comes from a plant, let's just see a randomized controlled study on the compound on the end points and hopefully it works. If it works, that's great. Let's look at it more. If it doesn't work well, let's look at something else. That's what we do as scientists, right? Like you're very much, I think take kind of a scientific approach on terms of reaction time is one of the most important markers for an e-sports player. That's something that's easily site out. Let me study yet, let me optimize a protocol for it, which I think is smart.

Vince M.

One of the greatest thing through out this journey that I'm doing and I'm actually writing the book with everything that I'm doing, all the tasks and I keep the track of everything because I think is important and if I actually had the ability to do this with someone else, I'm trying to approach labs to do it. When we solve, of course we need a good amount of money to write equipments. Like for example cryogen equipments, the red light therapy, the isolation chamber, which is something that I'm fascinated by and I don't know if the driver did, are you listening to me?

Geoff

Yeah. I have not, but yeah, I'm curious about doing like a float tank, right? Just like Epson salt float tank.

Vince M.

There's lots of really terrible float things out there. You need to search a very high quality one because the float thing, the water is in the temperature of the skin. It looks like you're actually floating. It's amazing. And when you're inside there there's no morse, there's no light in. It's just you and your thoughts. What I think in the longterm could make with someone is to get the concentrations level such a high level. I couldn't imagine like imagine athlete like let's say John Jones in his stop fight. He needs to fight for the title. Imagine if he does like a float tank experience and concentrates in a level that you know. I don't know how there's no scientific task on the float tank because I think it's amazing. Like right now you're sitting in a chair, you have a shoe in your feet right now and everything is reacting.

I'm listening to a voice right now. I'm reacting to it. I'm reacting to my hands. I'm reacting my brain. I'm reacting to stuff around the light.

Imagine you're inside the thing that you can feel. You can react. You can't feel pain because you're not in touch with something and it's just you and your mind, inside the thing. Imagine the level of concentration and imagine takes some modafinil on it or some micro dosing. I don't know, some crazy micro dosing that can find. Of course. Imagine what can do it with the person. I heard that Joe Rogan really likes the isolation chamber and I heard that when he used to go, he used to imagine the movements on the fighting or something like this and then he becomes a better fighter because of it and I think that'll be amazing different for athletes in e-sports. I do think if we have and extremely huge lab with all this technology and what person that understands everything, a cardiologist, a neurologist and the people that really enjoyed this get a team and do this. I think we would have more champions there.

Geoff

I think there's a few people. I think are cut from that cloth and have the similar idea. I think it's like it is so hard to integrate all of these approaches together, but I think it is inevitable that people will consolidate all these technologies. I think maybe just beyond just any specific thing with the float tank, I think it just like in the modern day, there's so much information inundation. Just having some time to actually just be within your thoughts, digest the troubles of the stressors of the day. I think the visualization side, can you actually just have dedicated time to focus on your craft? The float tanks seems to be a very effective tool to clear out mental space for that.

Vince M.

Absolutely. I think for me meditation is important. Extremely important. As I told you and when I was in class and they saw that teacher, I couldn't sit down and pay attention because for me is the most boring thing in the world. I'm not going to use this for my life. Why am here? And I used to run out of the class and go to the tennis court always. Nowadays I see meditation like this, at least in the beginning. I can see it and not taking nothing for me is to be a pain in the ass. But nowadays, when I do it, I think is one of the most important thing for my day to go on. Especially in my mindset, I put my mindset in a way that, okay, I accomplish my first thing of the day and I don't mind this crazy. The first thing of the day, you accomplished something through all your day, you're going to have an awesome day. For some reason, I don't know how to explain. I'm not really dip into it. Okay? I see that meditation helps me to get a better mind state when I'm actually playing in listening, authentic people talking at the same time and digesting information and taking decisions in the heat because you need to take decisions like this extremely fast. If you have a clear mind, if you're in the rights nootropics at first sample, this can help you out. This can make you extremely effective. And this is what I'm searching for.

Geoff

Do you feel like in your craft as a e-sports professional, do you feel like you're overly inundated with information and ended? Therefore, you have to be really thoughtful how to unplug. Are you like constantly with your devices? I mean that's something that I've been thinking about a lot, running a company, podcasts, a lot of community members and I think I find myself that I need to just unplug from all this stuff so it can actually have room to think. How do you play with the plugins keyed in, version of events and an unplugged version of events. I mean is this something that you've structured a lot of thought around it or something exploring with?

Vince M.

In the evening when it started to be like 9:00 PM, which is a time that I normally go to sleep. I started to unplug there and the first thing that I do to unplug is to read something that has nothing to do with my daily routine. Would add for my brain or any information that would add something good for my brain. Of course I'm going to read something like a curiosity website that I was see Oh, the pyramids of Egypt. What is inside? Something like this to upload it.

I take like three doses of magnesium which is extremely good for the heart and also to get you to sleep. I also do a cocktail of cranberry with apple cider vinegar and water.

I take this after 25 minutes that I'm doing anything I want. I can listen to a podcast that talks about something cool. For instance, I was listening to the Pat Cash podcast that you recorded. Awesome. This remind me of my days of tennis and the court like running around and that's how you got to unplug. it's extremely important for the brain. Especially if you have a great company. I see your company in 2019 going to go to the billion dollars and I'm a hundred percent sure it is going to happen because this is going to blow up. If the nootropics award, when it gets introduced to the e-sports, it's going to get so big. There's so much people trying to compete against each other, especially in e-sports and gaming. When they realized this is going to go, I can't even say how crazy is going to be and that's how I use to unplug. I do my cocktail with apple cider vinegar, which is extremely good for your body, even in night helps you burn fat, helps you to get to asleep and to get more deep sleep, which is important for energy and that's how I am and I think is extremely, extremely important, especially for our emotional part. The problem solving part in the next day, memory language judgment, everything's important. It's related to sleep. If you don't sleep well, you're not going to have a good day the next day probably.

Geoff

Are you doing suffered sleep tracking like heart rate variability?

Vince M.

I'm about to do it. I bought the Oura ring. I think it's those extremely ...

Geoff

Yeah, I'm wearing one right now. It's great.

Vince M.

I know it. It's the best. This is the type of tracking that when it gets into this level, you learn with yourself. You learn with your body and if you can learn with your body, what is the best teacher to introduce smart stuff like nootropics in your life? Or if I have other types of vitamins or I'm not sleeping well, what is this? I need to start sleeping well. And then I used to have problems with insomnia a lot because again, my mind goes crazy when I'm having a day or online gaming and I learned that as soon as I start to take us little cocktail, I forgot everything. For me is my time is my silence and it's time to go to sleep having a good night of sleep and be ready to the next day and hustle. That's it.

Geoff

Very cool. Any other topics we should cover before we wrap up?

Vince M.

I know we would relate just because how crazy you are about this stuff and how crazy I am about this stuff. I know it and especially related to reaction time in ketones. I want to try the ketone ether with 4.2 millimoles and some modafinil to see how sharp my mind will beat the reaction time. I think it would be amazing.

Geoff

Yeah, I think we'll have to just get some data on that. I think it'd be just great content and I think I'm bullish on the result there, so a lot of our work is moving forward, traditionally is been focused in physical performance with endurance athletes. A lot of the work that we're doing now and moving forward, it's books on cognitive performance. So excited. I bought some of the work there. What's next for you? I mean it sounds like you got the YouTube twitch channels. What are the big projects for the rest of the year?

Vince M.

That's a great-

Geoff

It sounds like you had a book go in, you want to set up this bio-hacker cognitive performance, e-sports sweet.

Vince M.

I have some investors that are searching me. I can't really say the company right now, but I had a great conversation with the guy and he was very interested in my idea to open this big laboratory. It would be a laboratory for top notch athletes. Imagine one laboratory that has all of this.

Geoff

Yeah, it's not integrated. I agree. It's not integrated.

Vince M.

With one person that understands everything and that will track your blood type. You already a good top notch athlete. Imagine all of this integrated in less than three months changing the life perspective of this person and get him to the level that you would think that you never reach, and I do this on myself. On my own without having all of this stuff. But imagine if we could. And that's why I approached some companies. It's funny enough, some companies approached me. I don't know how they know about this stuff, that I'm doing but talking about this, I do think that will happen in the future. Just need the right people. As I always say. Again, I would talk about Zhill. This guy over there behind the camera with you, that's a smart dude. You got to keep him.

Geoff

Yeah. Zhill is the mastermind behind the podcast. I'm just here. I can have a fun conversation.

Vince M.

If you have good people around you, keep them around you man. It's the most important thing in life.

Geoff

Hundred percent.

Vince M.

Again, I have my wife that supports me more than anything. If you have good people around you that can help you out and wants your your success and want to be part of course it's good people and want changed the planet. Change your work, change the way that we live in. Keep them around you because that's when you're going to change something. That's when you're going to do the difference. That's when you know you're gonna increase your project. That's why I always, when I find good people, I always try to keep them around me or even help them out without charging anything or even like giving some value. Because for example, given the sprints for my friend today, what's something that he was not expecting? But when I teach him about everything, he was like, "Damn, I'm actually getting too antsy sometimes," and when I give him this and I talk about L-Theanine he's like, "I want to try it man. This is going to help me so much," because he has like 30 shops around some Polar. That's what I'm talking about. Creating value with people and having good people around you and Zee was guy, keep him around.

Geoff

A hundred percent. Well said. So how do our listeners find you? How do they follow you? You're on twitter, you're on YouTube.

Vince M.

Pretty much official noted. But if you search for reaction time, word records. It's gonna appear probably as the first one. But other than that I'm doing the book. Of course it's gonna take a while to do everything because I want to keep tracking of everything really, really nice. But other than that, I received some opportunities to go back and start competing again. I was very curious how I would compete now that I know all this stuff and that I'm doing all this stuff with myself, but I'm so into it now that I can't go back. I want to keep researching. I want to keep doing this stuff and see where I go.

Geoff

Yeah, I mean let's definitely keep in touch and follow the journey. I think we'll definitely have you back. Let's keep exploring this journey with you, but thanks so much for taking your time to jump on the program.